Vexing issues
The skate park is in the news again. The Commission is going to address it at a work session tonight, at 5:30. Now there are a couple things I see here. The commission is going to address and discuss. The public is welcome to comment. This is a opportunity to see what the commissioners identify as problems, solutions, and how they receive input from the public. I know there are other people out there who have opinions on the park.
This would also be an excellent opportunity for a civics lesson. Most of the people who will be affected by more regulation at the park are younger people. They might be interested in attending, and seeing how the policy makers of the City view them, and their ideas, and what kinds of options are going to be pursued.
“Stebbins said the vandalism appeared to have been caused by five or six young toughs who other kids try to avoid.
“The kids know who they are and they’re all afraid of them,” Stebbins commented at a city agenda-setting meeting last week.”
There is a young fellow who commented some time ago on a Greaterfalls post about the park. He has commented several times more recently on the Tribune forums. He has repeatedly mentioned that the cameras do not seem to work, and the lights are not turned on at dark. I would think if those two things were addressed, the City might be able to identify “five or six young toughs” who would obviously now be caught on tape if they were, in fact, violating the rules or vandalizing the park.
Ed McKnight chimes in on the comments.”Parents of children at the park detest the idea of punishing their children for the criminal actions of a few.”
“There is a huge amount of community involvement in this town and all it would take is one volunteer to be on site and inform violators to stop or the police will be called.”
He urges us to use community involvement and show that our community can take care of itself before turning to authoritarian measures.
Mr. Steele concurs wholeheartedly with Mr. McKnight.
But this guy is an ass. “If those kids can’t manage, take care of and patrol it themselves, then plow it under.” The average age of the typical skatepark user is around 11 years old.
“graffiti art contest” How nice, you mean hoodlum art right? Gimme me a break McNight. Stop coddling these creeps, you are beginning to sound as nambly pambly as our current group of commissioners. You want public hood art? Let them do it on the side of their parents house. Not on public property I’m paying for.”
This comment offends me. My son and his friends visit the skate park regularly. Some asshole arbitrarily paints him with the same brush as kids who go there to break the rules, and calls these kids, our kids, “creeps” because they share a public property with other kids who break the rules? And as for that public property, I am paying for it too, and I have probably expended far more time and effort researching things that can be done than this guy has.
I found this website in some of that research. This is a quote, you have to read down a ways to find all of it.
“Who is responsible for the kids? What if drugs are being done at the park? What if the local residents complain about the noise of the kids? What about graffiti? What about loud music? What about late night skateboarding? What about insurance? What about accidents? All valid concerns that need to be addressed individually. But the one answer that seems to hold true for all questions is the involvement of, skateboard moms and dads. The average age of a skateboarder in the USA is 11 years old. I do not know any 11 year old who are involved in anything other than XBOX and just like with more traditional sports parents are involved. There are skateboard moms just like there are baseball, football, tennis, and soccer moms, (and dads). But mostly moms. Who do you think buys those $40 dollar skateboard decks and those helmets and pads. Who else but a mom would make sure Little Johnny wears his protective equipment? Skateboard moms are going to make sure their little boy or girl is happy, having fun and safe all at the same time. God bless anyone or anything that prevents that from happening. So, just like we have baseball and football bleachers we need more bleachers for the skateboard moms to help police our skateparks. What better Crime Watch program than that a mom with a cell phone?“ Emphasis added.
Here is a skatepark board.
Here is some art, and a couple good ideas/comments. “Part of their plan included having the artists on call to paint over illegal tagging within 24 hours, removing any incentive for tagging” “Most of the bikers and skaters appreciate it,” Nile says of the legal tagging at the skatepark. “They’d rather have that than a fence around it.”Many skateparks in England actually encourage graffiti, and promote this type of art is promoted as a community enhancer instead of a curse.
So all you skateboard moms and dads, and brothers and aunts, lets show up and let the City know, we are not ready to let the park die, to lose a free, healthy activity center for our kids for the crimes of a few. Some will put up graffiti. If not at the skatepark, then somewhere. They will all skate. We just have to decide where.
7 Responses to “Vexing issues”
1 Louis 4 September 2007 @ 7:45 am
This problem would be minimized if the skateboard moms as you call them would stay at the park with their preteens instead of dropping them off and heading to the casino. The skate park is not a baby sitter.
2 Wolfpack 5 September 2007 @ 10:09 am
A parent should be able to leave an eleven year old at the Skate park, Water Park or any other park without concern that’s what their for. Although some of these kids are definitely little hoodlums most are not. Punishing all kids for adults’ failings in monitoring the parks is unfair and short sighted. The purpose of parks is to give kids something to do other than getting into trouble and becoming hoodlums. Only a few parents (of the hoodlums) are directly at fault and all adults bear some level of responsibility for correcting the problem. Louis- What have you done to help out our city’s kids? Disparaging good mothers who take their kids to a park, many don’t, does not count.
3 Amy S 5 September 2007 @ 3:22 pm
The National Safe Kids Campaign recommends that children are not left alone before the age of 12.
Leaving them alone at the skate park is asking for trouble. It is not a controlled environment with adult supervision. This is also not 1964 because even in Great Falls we have level 3 sex offenders lurking.
Are you a parent by chance? Should you not be present when your kids engage in risky sport activity? Do you expect the other unattended 10 or 11 year olds to react quickly when your child gets badly injured?
Good mothers stay at the park with their young children.
4 firefly 5 September 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Louis, I haven’t seen you comment here before. You do not know me, and if you ever again come on my blog and insinuate I would neglect my kids to go to a casino, or for any other reason, you will be deleted, banned and insulted in every way I can think of.
If you actually have something intelligent or constructive to say, go ahead. But it is people like me who are trying to keep the skate park open for a bunch of decent kids and a few little punks. Don’t be a little punk.
5 gffirefly 5 September 2007 @ 7:07 pm
Amy, read my post before you comment please.
6 Wolfpack 5 September 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Amy- Good for the national safe kids campaign and their take on my kids safety. Have you been to the skate park? It is geographically separated from the main park where my smaller children like to play. I’m sure I’m a bad dad but I let my 11 year old play out of sight and I actually believe it helps develop his independence. Do you seriously think your 11 year old child is in grave danger of being raped at our crowded skate park? You may be watching too much Dateline.
7 mc 10 October 2007 @ 10:10 pm
I noticed your link to our site.
>Skaters for Portland Skateparks is a volunteer skatepark advocacy organization. We have worked long and hard to change the perception of skateboarders in our community. Here’s a good fact sheet from our old website. Some of the stuff at the end is outdated because Portland, Oregon’s plan to build 19 skateparks is well under way with three parks in the ground and two more in progress.
We have found skateparks to be an asset to our town providing a healthy focus for the energies of skaters of all ages. The world famous Burnside skatepark project reclaimed a blighted area under one of our city’s bridges - and while it’s no Disneyland, it is a much safer and useful place. Skaters took the initiative and did all the work themselves.
Adult skaters provide a positive example for the younger skaters by doing regular cleanup around the parks, volunteering to help the city clean up graffiti and taking pride in what we have built.
Another resource is the skaters for public skateparks website.
You might ask your commisioners “What if someone vandalized a little league field or a golf course? Would it get plowed under? Are we just seeing predjudice against one segment of our society?
Good Luck.
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