“I am for
enforcing a well written Code that is not complaint driven”
“I am against Code that allows for personal interpretations by any official, sign manufacturer or citizen.”
A friend of mine wrote those words in January of 2005. I support them to this day.
Several people have asked why I limit some of the things I write here regarding the sign code. I do it for that first reason. I absolutely refuse to complain to the City about enforcement of the Code. It should be enforced without my input. It is not my job, and the City said the new Code would be enforced. I also do it because I am on the side of the business owners of this town.
I do not agree that a business owner “may not cover more than 1/3 of a ground floor window”. It is your damn window, as long as you are willing to permit it as part of your wall signage, have at it. I was told (before it passed) that is what the intent of the code was. Wrong.
I had a very disturbing conversation today. A local business owner who I have known for some time, and have worked with in the past, gave me some intel on his signs. You see, I did not believe his signs were in compliance. I mentioned this, and found that all his signs are legal, and permitted. Because, the City hated his old signs so much, they compromised their own Sign Code. Not only that, they allowed a business owner to dictate to them the signs he would put up. In one instance, it appears the content of the sign was at issue, and the modification of that content caused them to allow a sign to be permitted.
Now I like this guy, and I hope his business is successful and he grows rich and prosperous, and if he can tell the City what signs he will put up, that is their problem. Except that this situation causes unequal treatment to every business owner that complies with the Code, and only has one pole sign or the correct 10%+ of the wall sign allowance.
The content thing is a whole ‘nother ball of wax. You see, the City of Great Falls has absolutely no right to dictate what your sign says. In my opinion, they have no right to allow realty signs, contractor signs etc. without a permit, because the content of the sign distinguishes what is permissible and impermissable.
Similarly situated individuals should receive equal treatment and protection of the law. If the business activity is legal and the proposed sign both truthful and not likely to outrage a communities’ sensibilities, the code must be equally applied to all businesses.
So, in 17.60.8.020 of the the Land Development Code when it states, “It is unlawful for anyone to place, construct, enlarge, alter, move or convert any sign or sign structure in the City, or cause or permit the same to be done, contrary to or in violation of the provisions of this chapter“ why does that not not apply to City Officials who are supposed to “Provide effective and binding code implementation and enforcement measures?”
Anyone?
7 Responses to ““I am for”
1 Wolfpack 15 July 2007 @ 11:26 pm
Ever read this section (17.64.040 Nonconforming signs) and try to figure out if it allows grandfathered signs to be altered the same as a nonconforming sign? The city staff says that no alterations are allowed to grandfathered signs but the code does allow non structural alterations for non conforming signs. City staff maintains that a grandfathered sign is different than a non-conforming sign. I don’t read it that way. It seems to me that a grandfathered sign is a subset of non-conforming signs and has additional rights not different rights. Admittedly the non-conforming sign section is a little murky when read literally but a little common sense would go a long way. This came up with Dave Pierce who was given the choice of leaving an existing sign face alone to maintain his grandfather exemption or he could give up the grandfathering and could make the changes he wanted before 2012 but the sign would have to be torn down in 2015. He opted to keep his grandfather exemption. Funny thing though, his sign was not too tall or big as is required to get an exemption. It was grandfathered because he had too many signs and they were too close. There is no mention of this in the grandfather sections so his sign should not have been granted an exemption in the first place. The city code enforcement is defiantly a shoot from the hip process with no common sense required. What experience does the relatively new parking & zoning supervisor have in the zoning administration field?
2 firefly 16 July 2007 @ 11:37 am
Yes, I am familiar with that section of code. I’ll give this a complete answer as soon as I have time. There is more going on with Pierces signs than simple interpretation of City Code.
3 firefly 17 July 2007 @ 10:07 am
Please e-mail me.
4 Wolfpack 17 July 2007 @ 10:27 am
I don’t have your email. Geeguy has my email.
5 firefly 17 July 2007 @ 11:20 am
fishtalesx1 at netzero.com
6 GeeGuy 17 July 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Whoops, I dropped the ball here. Have you two found email bliss yet?
7 david 18 July 2007 @ 10:30 am
get a room, you two!
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